Everything You Didn’t Know About Melqui Galvão | Game Plan | Ep. 028

We’re back. Took a few weeks off but Game Plan is rolling again, and this one’s a big one.

Me and Juico catch up on life for a bit (he watched Obsession, I’m still catching up) before we get into a deep dive I’ve been sitting on for a while: Mica Galvão and his father, Melquisedeque “Melqui” Galvão.
Most people only know the surface level stuff, the doping case with Mica, maybe the recent jail news about Melqui. But there’s a 2011 case out of Brazil that almost nobody in the BJJ world is talking about, and once you put it next to what’s happening now, the pattern gets a lot clearer. I went down a rabbit hole on this one, translating Portuguese news and digging through old reports, and I lay out everything I found.
We also get into UFC BJJ, the broken economics of paying pro grapplers, that twister finish in the UFC everyone’s been sending around, and a wild story about a BJJ black belt and an armed standoff with police that’s got us thinking about training and real world violence differently.

Thanks for riding with us through the break. More videos coming soon, normal schedule starting back up.

Find us:
Pod: @gameplanthepod 
Davis: @colejiujitsu
Juico: @juico.skilltree.matspace

Let me know in the comments if you knew about the 2011 case before this video.


00:00 Back After a Break: What's Changing on Game Plan
00:23 Movie Talk: Sinners, Backrooms, and Obsession
05:00 Juico's Birthday and Low-Key Celebrations
13:00 Spurs Run to the Finals and Fan Reactions
24:00 UFC's White House Card: Production and Politics
26:00 Athletic Commissions and Why UFC Events Are Limited
29:00 Combat Jiu-Jitsu, EBI, and Sanctioning Issues
30:30 Who Is Mica Galvão? Setting Up the Story
36:00 Mica Galvão's Doping Case and Stripped World Title
40:00 Inside Melquisedeque Galvão's Coaching Pattern and Control
43:30 The 2011 Operação Cachoeira Limpa Case Explained
49:00 Melqui Galvão Charged With Qualified Homicide
52:00 Mica and Amit's Public Breakup, Explained
58:00 UFC BJJ Contracts, Pro Grappling Pay, and What's Next

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Game plan!

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Alright. What up? I mean, welcome back to another episode of Game Plan the Podcast. I'm your host, Davis Cole, joined as always by co-host and producer Juice.

unknown 0:16

Hi.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

We're back, baby. We're back. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. What is our excuse for being gone? We're gonna change some things. We're gonna change some things. And then we made another plan.

SPEAKER_03 0:28

And we still are. Oh yeah. We are. Yeah, we still yeah. We still are gonna change some things. We have um a lot of ideas that we have yet to fully or partially execute on.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

But if you're watching this, you've been there at least from the beginning. So thank you for coming back. And we'll be we'll be rolling these podcast episodes out as we can. Um if you can check out game plan audible, juice has been posting tons of training clips at Fight Factory.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Not even training clips, bro. It's like full classes, it's just straight up be a fly on the wall for when we're training. And it's very literally, yeah. I just suction cup just gross.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

I hope you're listening with headphones on so you can really get the full effect there. Yeah. Which also turns out if you have a bald head like juice, the suction cup for the glass also works on the dome. I need that video from uh Joey. I think Joey has it. Where he's videoing you.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

He's videoing me. Suction.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

I want both split screen. But it wasn't running. We gotta, we gotta just do the whole glass with it suction cup to the top of your head. We'll just do it. I we did that a while back with I guess it was it wasn't even GoPros, it was just like different harness attachments for like a phone, either on your chest or on your head. And I posted like an Instagram reel, and it's like so jarring because it's too fast, so it's like those movies where they like they try to do like the handheld camera style of a film, but then like when you're watching it, it's just a little too much shake. Yeah, you know. I can't remember another one. I think there was like a hardcore Henry that really it was like first person point of view or something. But I'm all down for different creative ideas, but I a lot of people can't watch that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

You said hardcore Henry, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

I think that was the name of it. Is this like an action movie? I want to say so, yeah. Okay, yeah, he's like dual-wielding pistols and stuff, and you see it like from his point of view. Okay, but it's just super like shaky the whole time, and it'd be just like a thing. Yeah, way too much. Made me dizzy. I'm bitch.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

I don't know what you're about to say, but speaking of being a bitch, uh, it was my birthday yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Okay, happy birthday. Thank you very much. Everybody say happy birthday to Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Good boy, very, very low key. I don't know. I get a little bit weird on my birthday. Uh like one half of me is like, like, yay, want to celebrate, like hang out with basically everybody, but also the other half of me is like, oh, like I get like reclusive. I don't know. It's weird, but it was um just my lady and I. We were hanging out. I wanted to watch a movie. Finally, yeah, all the fucking movie references I get.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Yeah, dude. Go, you need to study up so you can get all the things that I think of every time you talk it.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

I I wanted to watch a movie, um, backtrack or rewind a good bit. Sinners came out. I didn't even know it was a horror movie. I just, since I've been picking up cameras and like working with all of this shit, you know, um, I seen a lot about it and it made me want to go watch it. And I did, and it was dope. Didn't even know it was a horror movie, wasn't that scary, so everything's fine, right? Um, after that, I've been going to the movies a lot more, really enjoying it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

So you got this was more last year for the center thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Yeah. Uh been watching a lot more movies, really enjoying it, taking a lot of inspo, taking a lot of like, you know, techniques, blah blah blah blah. And then um two movies came out recently-ish. One of them, Backrooms, which is, I guess, a horror movie. Um I saw it, I thought it was really good. It was like, it wasn't that scary, it was just like hella iery, creepy, weird type. Well, psychological. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, that's kind of what fucks me up the most. Like, I don't know if I was talking to you about it this morning. Or no, it was like Lewis and uh and Mike. It's not like the jump scares that fuck me up. I mean, maybe it fuck me up a little bit, but you know, they give me, yeah. Yeah, it's I'm super vulnerable to that.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Yeah, it's gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

But um experiencing the movie and all of that stress at the time is fine. I'm perfectly for that. It's when you go home. You go home late at night, lights are off, you know, fucking walking by mirrors, uh, tree casts a shadow through the window. That's the shit that fucks me up, man. So I watched a movie last night that I've heard great things about, seen a lot of like the BTS about it and the production, low budget film, blah blah blah, doing really well. It's called Obsession. I don't know if you've seen it, highly suggest it. Um maybe I'm a big bitch. I'm definitely a big bitch. I'm a big bitch.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

Oh, that shit fucked me up, man. That fucked me up. But it was really good. I'm a big fan, but I don't think I'm gonna watch um a scary movie in a little while.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Do you take it like into your dreams at all? Uh not yet.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

No, and I hope I don't.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

But I do get some fucked dreams.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Because I know for some people it's like if you watch that stuff right before you go to bed and like you're kind of like a lucid dreamer, it just like gets into your dreams, and then now you're having like horror dreams. Yeah. I don't want that.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

I have had or like relatively frequently, maybe like once every two weeks or once a month or something like that, I'll have kind of a pretty shitty dream. And uh Megan like slap me, you know, because I'm just like in bed and it's one of those where like I guess it's kind of lucid. I don't know, but like I'm trying to like scream or trying to yell or something, and like trying to move and nothing's happening. Yeah, but to her, I'm just like mumbling and making some noise and shit. She's like fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Have you ever fought in your dreams? Because there's this thing where like you're talking about trying to scream or something, where like you're trying to fight, but like your arms don't work like they would normally would, and like you they feel real heavy and they're like you kind of miss a lot. Dude, speaking of like the creative, just different, different cameras, angles, all of like cinematography, vlogger videography, like just all of that. It's been cool to see the tech get so much better, shooting in 4K, got the option to shoot in 6K. How cool is that? But then seeing all these young kids that are like going and getting like the handheld camcorders that like our parents would have had at Christmas or something like that, and now they're shooting like modern things. So Thursday Night Jiu Jitsu recently, uh, one of the guys from Triple Threat Jiu Jitsu in Marble Falls, Xavier, uh had someone shoot him on like an old school one. Sick. And then they showed like a little maybe on an Instagram story of just like a snippet of them editing it. So you still see the same like editing software and timeline, but then when it comes out, it's that like old school grainy style. And it's just so funny that like right as we hit where the tech can make it look better than my eyes can see. We go back, then we go back to people because it has that like vibe to it. It has like a like a texture, yeah. And honestly, it came out looking really cool because you know what it looks like inside like the Thursday night jujitsu tens planet. It's kind of dark, so it looked pretty dark.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

I've actually never been, I've only seen it.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

We gotta go. It's a really cool gym, especially. I haven't seen it since they expanded the mat space even more. So they've definitely got like the most mat space, probably in Texas, if if not definitely in Austin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Do you know what the biggest gym is? Like of Mat Space.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

No, but it feels like that would be like kind of an easy flex from a gym. Yeah. You know, like definitely somebody has it. Well, footage of Mat Space in the United States or some shit. Yeah, I mean, I think those are like wrestling rooms really trump a lot of jujitsu gyms because like I'm sure you've seen pictures of it where it's like the steel frame building and it's just like matted out. So I think Imagine cleaning that. Dude, I bet they don't. Not thoroughly, not every square inch. That's gross. Yeah. But like wrestlers wear shoes, so I think they have like a little different attitude towards like how exactly clean it should be. You know? So yeah, the the the Matt Cleanlings.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

I'm worried about staff on my knees. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Protect yourself at all times, man. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 9:18

That's where I get that shit, man. Just fucking goop some musse on her.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Is this uh is this the concert shirt? Yeah, Yebba. From uh from the Freedom 250 card that you did not watch?

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Yep, that's the one. That's the one I went to a show and I saw Yebba last or last last Sunday or some shit instead of watching UFC Freedom 250. I heard great things.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

We're gonna get but I also had a good ass time. So yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get to that. I'm gonna pick on more of your articles of clothing before we do. But uh half of my articles of clothing are yours, so go for it. No, but you're you're you're still rocking the uh the B team of basketball, the Spurs hat, you know. Yeah, I didn't have that one ready, it just came in the moment.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

That was really good. Yeah, I commend you. Fuck you, but I commend you. No, but that's it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

They made it? Is that is there any kind of like, oh, at least they're in the finals?

SPEAKER_03 10:25

When they won the Western Conference Finals, it felt like they secured the chip straight up. It was it was dope, it was it was a good ass time. Um definitely didn't expect the finals to play out as it did. Uh we watched game one, and I mean I don't know, as the Spurs do, they do really well, like in the first quarter, even the second, and then third and fourth, they kind of dropped down, which I think was the story of every game in the finals that they had. They were up 20 points, 30 points, you know, 15 or something like that, and then they just lost the lead and got overtook towards the end. But um that's okay, it's it's it's fine. We're it's okay, it's all right, it's alright. We're we're a young team. I've been wearing this hat for a lot of years, and um I am happy to continue to wear it. We're we're a young team, the Knicks, um took it, it was well deserved. Um fans gotta calm down, yeah, out of control. Fuck, man. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Don't really see how fast it goes from like being about the sport to just like you're from a different state and city, and we're gonna all mob you and attack you just because you're wearing the wrong jersey. That's and I think it goes a little bit both ways, right? Like, I saw a lot of Spurs fans getting attacked in New York, but like I'm sure that there were some Spurs fans attacking some Knicks people that were showing out in Texas. I don't know, but I did see the one Spurs dude just start like throwing out just the one man in there, and he's like larding R wherever he goes is insane. And there's like one police officer kind of comes up behind him, like, I kind of have your back, but we're probably numbered right now. Come on, and then I saw another one where like the helpful Knicks fans are like ripping the Spurs jersey off of a guy while he's all bloodied up, and they're like, dude, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, and it's like dude.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

That's well. I've never been to New York, I've always wanted to go.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Not shitting on Knicks fan and shitting on New York, but uh they did seem to do a lot of really cool celebrations, and like it I love seeing like a city celebrate after a big sports victory. It's always like fun parades and stuff, but yeah, there was some some crazy moments from people uh getting attacked out there, yeah. All right, so Freedom 250. I was like super just kind of confused. Why did this need to happen? Like, so many different things kind of coming together. It's like you got the Trump administration plus Dana White UFC. I'm stoked that America happens to be hitting its 250th birthday. That's awesome. Congratulations. You know, we're like a young country, 250s at least, you know, getting somewhere. Um, so I just wasn't sure. Like there, um, if you're familiar with Greg Jackson, he's one of the uh greatest MMA coaches of all time, and he like opted out of going. So he had like some athletes competing and he didn't go corner them. So, like already there, it's like okay, this is one of the most well-respected coaches in the game, and he feels this like weird political conflict and just sat it out. And so, like when I saw that, I was like, Yeah, I kind of feel you because if you go and you attend, I do think there's some people that are gonna immediately assume that you're just like some kind of MAGA Trump supporter, and then it's like to some guy at the UFC, that was just their day at work, yeah, you know? So kind of a weird event, however, with the weather aside and and all of like the security of having to actually figure out how to make this work. The coolest thing about it to me was the claw where they made that four-point like structure on top of the cage in the lawn. Did you see this? No, okay, so it's like a dome essentially, but it's just four points, and I think that was just how they could like hang up all the rig up all the cameras and lighting and stuff, and to cover it. Um, so I guess it would at least cover the octagon itself. And my take on that was like, man, where is this just outside of the White House lawn? Because I know people have a lot of reservations about fighting outside, you know, because of weather, and then also just like it's different environment. But I think that given the right time of the year in the right locations, we could totally be doing some outdoor events, and that claw seems like the perfect thing to apply to an outdoor event. Um, and I don't know if it was created just for this Freedom 250 card or not, but I would love to see the claw again. I like that part. I think that was sick. Um, and then I think MVP goes to claw. What what I think made it almost like underhyped as a card was because of all this fact that it's at the White House and it's mixed in with the Trump administration. Is if you just took the fights on this card on another UFC card, I think it would build way more hype.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

You know, you had a lot of big names throughout the whole night, but I think that it just pushed it to turn a lot of people off. And so I think a lot of people were just like not even worried about it that are actually a little bit of normal fans. Um, so that that's tricky, but I love that the fighters came out to fight. There was a lot of quick finishes, each fight was super exciting. Um, I've been a super longtime fan of Derek Lewis, but it was one of those fights where I'm like, I don't know if it's his back injuries, and it that kind of cuts into his ability to train. But Josh Hokett moved to 10-0 against Derek Lewis on this card, and Derek just looked rough, man. He seemed to gas within the first like 90 seconds, couldn't really grapple on defeat. It wasn't that normal, like H Town swing and bang. He looked a little hesitant, and he's had that happen in his career, and then he kind of bounced back from it. But I've known that injuries has kind of have kind of plagued his whole career, and you know, all that being said, he's still got the act the leading record for the most knockouts in the UFC. Do you know how it is? I think 16. So even with the losses, he's taken some some tough L's. No one has ever knocked out more people on a UFC card than Derek. Is it close? I don't think so. There's some I think there's some other people that are closer to like the teens. Um, but I mean it's just so few of the UFC fighters can get even clean knockouts, you know?

SPEAKER_04 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

But I don't know if you saw this. Um I don't love it, but it so you know there's all this stress about the card, right? It's on the White House lawn, it's gonna thunderstorm, but then once I'm actually watching it, aside from that pacing being painfully slow, it was going pretty smooth, right?

SPEAKER_03 17:17

And then did it look normal? I haven't even seen any of it, but did it look like a like a normal UFC event in like a stadium?

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Generally speaking, yeah. Yeah, the the walkouts were kind of funny. Um, but overall the the production was pretty normal. But I was kind of waiting to be cringed out, where I'm just kind of like got my got my like blinders up, like, oh am I gonna is there something that's gonna make me like hate this or something? It went really great until Hokett's post-fight speech was like the most cringy moment, and he's like, Michelle Obama's a man. Am I right, America? And like, even you can sense live the audience was like, uh it's like we're on the White House lawn. This is a former first lady, there's like the conspiracy about Big Mike. I get that. There's like a sub-conspiracy slash maybe a little bit of political ideology that likes to, you know, push that conspiracy or whatever. But it's like, dude, this is the biggest win of your career, and and you're gonna you're just gonna say something dumb. Like, I it it's tricky because we're talking about it right now. So Hokit puts himself out there in a way where he gets people to talk about him, and maybe he knew his fight with Derek Lewis was like whatever, so he's gonna do something that catches people's attention. Was that a quick win for him? It was in the second round. Knockout. Yeah, I think TKO. Yeah, so Matt Brown is the next closest at 13. And I don't know if you know Matt Brown, but he's got some nasty elbows. Um, so Matt Brown's also one of those like I would guess like two decades active in the UFC or something crazy like that, like just tons of fights. And then behind that's Anderson Silva at 11. So uh what way closer is Matt Brown? I want to say Walter. Um but then Dustin Poirier's tied for third with Anderson Silva at three and Max Holloway. Dang. But I mean that means that Max Holloway's got to get six more KOs to take the title. I don't know if he's got that left in his career, yeah, you know. So like Hokit on his previous fight where he had like the greatest heavyweight fight in the UFC. I wonder if he brought it up on here, but who was it again? It was just it was uh Curtis Blades and Josh Hokitt, three five-minute rounds, and all five-minute rounds, they're just blasting each other. And Hokit was getting the best of them the whole time, but Blades was just like being dumb tough and not going down every once in a while. He'd kind of throw something back, but it was just really exciting. And then I'm like, still, I don't know if I like this Josh Hokett guy. He's kind of like he's his fighting style is crazy, he's constantly giving people the bird the whole fight, just every every reset. He's just fucking with him. Um, and then when he got on the post-fight speech, then he had like this poem prepared that was like this rhyme, and he it was like kind of like Chail Sunden used to do back in the day with like this pre-rehearsed rhyming speech that he gives, and when it's done, he just like finished his speech and walked away. It wasn't like an interview, you know. When did the Michelle Obama's a man come out? So this time he didn't do that. Okay, I think the entirety of the Freedom 250 card kind of threw him off of his whole like shtick of having this character persona that's like this wide.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Oh, he would do the rhyming thing before, not this, not yeah, he did it on his previous fight.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Yeah, I gotcha. So, like this time around, when it hits to like the the press conference, he's like fluctuating in and out of character, and then he'll be like, Oh, but I actually like respect Derek Luce and like it's gonna be a good fight or whatever, you know. And then like other times he's like the uh pit vipers and American guitar bandana on, you know. So then this time around, like it just looked like he was still fluctuating in between personalities with Rogan on the interview, and then was like, I gotta say something crazy. And then like you can see Joe and Josh kind of wrestling over the mic, yeah, you know, and Josh is so much bigger, and Joe's like trying to pull the thing back. And I'm sure that they were just like, all right, what the hell? And you know, they the the UFC is extremely outspoken on like freedom of speech, so I'm not trying to knock that he can't say that. And I'm kind of on like uh Dana White's side where it's like you just don't say nasty things about people's families, but it's also like if I was at your house and I said something about someone in your family, it's a little different than if I say it to you on here, you know, like you're at the White House lawn, they used to live here, like it just seems like a unnecessary jab. But at the same time, for like just comedic sake, like, all right, you did something completely out of the ordinary. I think he thought it was gonna get like a big pop in the crowd of like we all hate the Obamas, and it was just kind of like it was just more just like why do fight.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Fighters in particular feel it seems like some fighters feel a need to stir shit up.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Like well, that that was why I brought this up, is because it it feels like it's like just part of like TikTok brain, where like regardless of his performance, he's like, we just all have to get these viral moments. And so he knew that would catch people's attention, get blasted in articles, and force other reporters to have to go ask Dana White in the post fight press conference, like, hey, what the hell's going on with Hoket? You know, so I do think it's just like attention grab, just like yeah, Hoket. Just trying to put yourself out there, and like Hokit clearly, with like giving people the finger during the fight, he doesn't care about like being the heel, you know. So clearly his like shtick is like, all right, let people hate me. That's fine, I'll get more attention that way. But I mean, now he's 10-0, he's into like contender ship. So I think with one more win, he's arguably up for the title. Yeah, I think he moved into like the top five. Um, but the the funniest thing is like I said, the pacing was pretty rough, so it just was only like seven fights, and it took like four hours. So yeah, and that's with multiple round one and two finishes, you know. So what were they doing in between? Just running the same ads? That's what I'm getting at, dude. So they start the walkouts from like the first door, and then you walk out from the White House to the claw thing, and you go fight. And then it just seemed like they were like unlocking levels to the White House and moving these guys deeper and deeper into the belly of the beast. So the main event walkouts are like a mile long. Oh just watching this dude walk out, you know. But where where it was cool, and we're both like super supportive of veterans and that kind of thing, is they were doing like medal of honor recipients and then like either firemen or police or something to walk out with the fighters. Cool. So there was like a hundred year hundred one-year-old dude in like a wheelchair with his like medal of honor thing on him, and they're wheeling him out next to what I can't remember which fighter. Yeah, but I like that stuff, you know, showing respect to to people that uh you know went into the military regardless of what they were sent to go do, just you know, there's some selflessness, I think, in in doing that stuff. And um, I I did like that. It was I think on another note, talking about like cinematography and stuff, in the the build-up before the fights start, they get the flyover, right? Heard good things. And again, taking out the politics of the whole thing, just the human effort it took to put this card together of how many different organizations and people were working together, they were able to set up the shot where it's like Trump and Dana White with the flyover, they're standing at the White House looking out at the fucking octagon as the flyover hits. And I'm like, man, somebody planned this shot. Yeah, and take out like any political thing out of this and just look at it from the videography side, like it was timed perfectly and executed. And as far as I could tell, production-wise, I think they had a few errors, but yeah, it was pretty flawless. And sick. I I think we both like respect that game, and uh, it made me realize like just the difference between the UFC MMA production team versus like maybe the UFC BJJ production team that like the UFC probably keeps their best people for the MMA because I mean they they just they went to one of the toughest places under inclement weather and and production-wise absolutely crushed it. So yeah, it was really cool to see. I don't necessarily need to see more like USA street beefs at the White House, you know? It's so funny to me too. Like, I grew up watching like uh Jorge Masvidal and like these guys in Florida, like backyard fighting, and we're just doing it on the White House lawn to celebrate the 250th birthday of the country. It's like it kind of fits.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

How um how does holding sanction fights work outside of like certain places? Because I feel like um I don't I don't really know a whole lot about this, but I feel like they do it in Vegas a lot because it's like more official for various organizations or something, like they can only do it in certain places, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah, I actually have a lot of questions about this myself. I would I need to do like a deep dive into understanding the differences between the athletic commissions because the UFC has their rules, right? And they stick to like their judging criteria and a lot of the rules that they do, but they do need to have the sanctioning of an athletic commission. So in Nevada, it's the Nevada State Athletic Commission, right? Um, but they go fight in different countries, and like I understand it better at the local regional level, things like Fury, right? So there's two organizations that are running that event for Fury. Fury's running the production and scheduling the bouts and all that, but then there's the Texas State Athletic Commission that's confirming fighter safety, weigh-ins, checking like you know, wristbands for the warm-up areas, making sure it's just the fighters, making sure that there's not like drugs backstage, all that kind of stuff. But what I don't understand is how much the UFC seems to kick out the state athletic commission's roles for their events. So like if the UFC came to Texas, the state athletic commission would be involved, but like it wouldn't be the Texas State referees that I see that are paid by the Athletic Commission. So I don't know. They seem to have some kind of autonomy above that. But like for this one, I did think about this a lot because it's in the District of Columbia, right? So I'm pretty sure in that situation they could, especially since Trump set it up, like they could probably do whatever they needed to do to make the fight happen. Um, but it it is the the athletic commission things and sanctioned fights does interest me, and I don't understand how we always have the same um refs because it seems more like the refs work for the UFC rather than an athletic commission. But at the local level, you can't just be a promoter and hire your own refs, you get the athletic commission refs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Yeah, they only have UFC events in certain places, like a pretty limited amount of places, right? They don't have UFC fights everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah, and I mean going back in time, this is why fights in general were on like uh Indian reservations. Yeah. Because it was a way to get away from state athletic commission laws and stuff like that. And and you know, that's where I'm trying to think of things in like our more recent jujitsu world, uh, but like combat jujitsu, for example, is done in Mexico. Because I believe in America we just don't have like the infrastructure to handle it because it needs to be sanctioned, because like you know that jujitsu doesn't need to be sanctioned, right? We let we could do jujitsu match in the backyard, whatever, right? But the striking, the state seems to have the problem with. So for combat jujitsu, I don't I would love to talk to Eddie Bravo about this and understand the specifics, but uh I just don't think he can get it sanctioned. And I don't I don't see a state athletic commission that would even know how to sanction it.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Does Eddie Bravo run combat jujitsu?

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

So he runs combat jujitsu and EBI?

SPEAKER_01 29:07

Yeah. Which, you know, he hasn't been pushing either event, but I think his problem is like the athletic commissions and other issues like that. I think the EBI is more of like a streaming's streaming rights issue. Because it EBI, I think uh in the past was like with uh UFC Fight Pass, and then they kind of switched that whole thing up with the UFC BJJ, so they're not doing as much grappling on Fight Pass. Um but for the combat jujitsu, I know that like I I don't think in Austin, Texas, we could do combat jujitsu without getting sanctioned, and then I think maybe like dealing with the state might run up the cost too. Um is EBI uh annual comp? I it used to be different weight class championships and stuff. They've kind of decreased their frequency pretty strong, I think, honestly, since the pandemic. Oh dang. Yeah. So it was really cool to see the what was that lightweight in San Antonio last year? Oh yeah, I feel like it was like. Was it lightweight or featherweight? I think it was featherweight, right? 145? Something like that. Yeah, because Landon Elmore, Grayson, I think all those guys are 145. Dude, so I am going to switch us to a heavier topic. Um I think the claw.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Um it goes.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I feel like this is one of those where I can kind of fill you in on a little bit more backstory just on this whole Melkie and Mika Galval. I really shouldn't include Mika, but you know, he's having to deal with his ramifications. Yeah. But I also feel like before we even get into that, like, what do you even know about Mika Galval? Not much.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Um wait, about Mika? Yeah. Um, we've watched him compete in some major stuff. Yeah, he seems to be pretty good. Yeah. Seems to be pretty good. Um, I think I remember he got like popped for some steroid usage um at some point a couple years ago. Um, I guess whatever ramifications of that have passed and he's back competing again, right? Um, but yeah, I don't know, not much.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah, I just like I think where it seems like a nice guy. Yeah. So he's he's done some really incredible things in in the sport of jujitsu. Uh him and his teammate Diogo Hayes have both, while being teammates, won a grand slam, an IBJF Grand Slam. So like Pan Ams, Worlds, Euros, Brazilian Nationals. And you'd like to do that in the same season. Four? Yeah. Um, and then I think they even won like an absolute within that too. Um, but where I am getting at with how it relates to us and our team is that uh I think Andrew William and Cody all have had matches against Mika. Yeah. And he like has defeated all of them. So guys that we you know train with respect, our coaches that are extremely high-level guys, he took out our whole team, you know, at like the point where the team was like rising to the top, you know. Let me add him. And you know, with the next, yeah. Like, dude, the Cody match was just because nobody would fight the dude because he was taking out everybody. So I guess my context for it was that there was just this hot streak right around the pandemic, he was 18-ish. Yeah, it'd been like 17 at 2020, I want to say. Yeah, and dude, he was just taking out everybody, yeah. And um, he just looked truly unstoppable there for a little while. Um, and he just was able to like, I know he got some kind of a contract with Flow Grappling, so he was getting like really good pay and getting a lot of matches from Flow Grappling Flow Grappling, starts beating people, and you know, I think just the athletes were like, Yeah, if I'm an up and comer and I'm trying to pave my way and I know I'm gonna lose to this guy, maybe I don't take the fight so I can get some other matches and keep building myself up. I get that, but that sucks. You know Cody, Cody's not afraid of anything. So Cody took a flow grappling match against Mika at one point. And I think it was not that they were knocking Cody that I just don't think Cody was the first offer for flow grappling looking for Mika's opponent, but I think he was someone that was like, Yeah, I'll show up, I'll put on a good match, and I'm ready to go, you know. And and honestly, Cody almost foot swept him, he had some good good attacks on him. Um, I think just this hot streak that Mika had, it went on for years and he was extremely dominant, not only taking out the guys from Fight Factory, but a ton of other uh entire teams too. So that's kind of your context. Um, he's one of the greats, and you know, under at Fight Factory, we've kind of had some crossover with a lot of people that trained in and around Mika's camp, and especially with Hodrigo being Brazilian. There's some mutual friends kind of in there. So, you know, I remember Hodrigo being like, Man, this guy Melky Galval, he's an incredible coach. He's training this kid Mika and his his other teammates, they're all you know getting these incredible results in tournaments. Um I didn't think much about it at the time, and then I guess I'll just kind of fast forward to this spring, you know, uh in the end of April, the Sao Paulo court issues an arrest order for Melchi Galval. Um, this was after a 17-year-old accuser went with him. So, like I guess an athlete of him they went to Rome. Um we could look at it, but there was probably like a Euros or something going on in Italy, and uh apparently he like assaulted an athlete there. Quickly became just like every time one of these jujitsu coaches gets accused of mistreating people, then there's a bunch of other allegations. So I think now it's up to like seven. I'm not dying 100% sure of all of it, uh all the specifics on it. But he got taken to jail. I never fully understood it, but there's like this leaked audio of a phone call where someone smuggled him in a phone, and then while he was in jail, he's like trying to like he admits some of the stuff that what he did was wrong. He's trying to like pay people off and like get them either to America or buy them a gym or something like that. Uh and it just it sucks because Mika has like besides the clomophene where he got popped for the drugs and he won the IBJF Worlds. Is that what steroids is? It's a performance-enhancing drug that's banned by most, you know, uh organizations that test. So Mika wins worlds, he's on Clomid, he gets the the world title taken away, and it's given to Cade Rotolo, I want to say, is who he beat in the final match. And I know I'm going off on a small tangent, but to the point of the steroids, uh, Mika was like 19 or so at the time. In clomaphine or Clomid is something that men and women can both take. Uh for men, I believe it's like stimulating your hypothalamus, whatever keeps your balls producing testosterone. So it can be pure be for people that are trying to like have kids or guys that have like hypogenadism, which like Mika could have totally just had regular old hypogenadism, but that also could come from when you take exogenous testosterone or other similar substances that's gonna deplete your body's natural production. So basically it's a drug that you can take that will keep your balls turned on, even if you're taking exogenous other hormones. Um, but what was just interesting in that moment, there is a video of Ty going up to Cade, giving him a hug after he loses in the final. He's like, You're the only natural one out here. Yeah, you're the only natural one out here. Um, so that did validate that the Rotolos were correct in their assessment that they were the only natural ones out there, which they've never had any kind of accusations. So, anyway, Melky goes to jail, he's in Brazil. Um, feel terrible for Mika because besides the Clomid incident, he's just kind of a sweetheart kid. You know, I've met him multiple times being at ADCCs and different things like that. He is like calm and quiet and extremely polite. He'll like smile super big when he shakes your hand, you know. And just imagine being a young kid and whatever he dealt with with his dad throughout this whole process, where his dad was kind of living this dual life thing, you know. Um, but we've talked a lot about how I'm very forgiving to like young men when they're in like impressionable situations, and it's like this is his own dad. So I would heavily suspect that the Clomid was not Mika's 19-year-old decision by himself, choice, yeah. Yeah, and and who knows about choice, but definitely there was some influence there, yeah. Um all while being a part of the civil police in the Amazonas region in Brazil. So Mika Melki. So Melkie, he didn't even start jujitsu until like later. He got his black belt in 2014. Um, so I think for him it was like a little bit later in life, not like Mika seemingly growing up, you know, doing doing tons of jujitsu, but he's like an elite police officer. And I'm sure with like the jujitsu training, there's probably some place where he's either doing extra, like Brazilian SWAT. Honestly, dude, Brazilian police and military have some of the best like hand-to-hand skills I've ever seen, and I think it's because of the Brazilian jujitsu culture kind of embedded in into Brazilian culture because they do some really cool like on dirt competitions and stuff with like camo sets on, and like they're doing real jujitsu against each other, but in like military-style competition is really cool stuff. So I just imagine that Melky's in the midst of the jiu-jitsu world and this like policing world, and he's probably trying to just like maximize his training and be like this super killer, you know what I mean? Um, and since then, like the IBJ JF permanently banned him. Um, he had like started a thing called BJJ College, and like this is just like the Andre Galval thing, right? Yeah, they Otto's initially kicks Andre Galval out, but then like a few weeks later he's still running it. You know, so we'll we'll see if BJJ College just completely disbands. My guess would be all the athletes that were like milky students just kind of drift off and find their own way, either opening up their own spot or or joining existing teams. Um, but it I am at least pleased that like all the organizations associated with this guy just pretty much cut him off right away. Um the the details of what he was doing are kind of unclear to me. I'm imagining it was like exactly what we're talking about with Andre Galval, where you you don't know the details, but you can assume that there was something like grooming type behavior, you know, especially for him. I think um he was he had such a proven method, especially with what I'm talking about when like Mika was on this hot streak of like, hey, if you train under me, this is the path. Mika got a flow grappling like contract that was like a salary type deal, you know. And I'm sure that money back in Brazil would be life-changing, you know. For sure. So he seems to be stuck in jail, kicking, kicking everybody, like everybody kicked him out of everything. He's trying to get phones smuggled in to try to hush people back up. And I think that like at this point he's probably just lost it, and we'll go through whatever the court proceedings are. Um I will say, with when we saw that with Andre, uh, this seems to be a much worse situation, right? Because this dude immediately went to jail. I'm not saying what Andre did wasn't wrong, but I don't think we've seen any actual indictments to Andre Galval. And this whole story's kind of fizzled out. Yeah. So I don't know if what Andre did is just like not provable in court or or what really happened there. That who knows. Um, but he seems like he's back at Otto's. I'm interested to see how the community receives him over time, you know, because I think the appropriate response would be like a proper investigation. And if the investigation didn't lead to anything, maybe a little bit more discussion of what actually happened. But I'm I err on the side of like, all right, he probably did some fucked up shit and should probably be punished for it. But I also believe in the court of law, and it's like, what are we gonna do here? Do we kick him out of jujitsu forever? That seems like the safer bet, you know, we just don't really need him. And this same conflict, like I talked about this with that example, and and how we may have to accept dealing with like not the best coaching in the world if you want to get rid of these shitty people. And however high you put Andre Galval as a coach, you got to keep Melky Galval like right up next to him. I think for different reasons you could put them above or below each other. And it just sucks because that list isn't that long of the best coaches in the game, and now we've got another one that's been proven to be taking advantage of his position as an instructor and using that to you know hurt other people, and then using that powerful position to cover all that up, you know. And imagine we've seen this in just the jujitsu space of what it's like to just be a black belt and to be like a gym owner and how much that can affect people's minds and how you can get away with stuff, and add that to being a cop. Yeah, so I think that he was very in tune with how to manipulate and control the outcomes of things, yeah, you know. So um, as of now, all of this is just like an indictment to him. There will still be the court proceedings in Brazil for whatever um Melchie's being charged with. But on a deeper dive that I took, uh, I realized that there's a little bit more to the story than just uh this recent allegation. And and I say recent, this is recent allegations that it's hit the news, and recently that Melchi went to jail. A lot of these allegations are going back at least, it seems about 12 years. So I would say this was going on closer to when he got his black belt. I think in some of the things I read, I note that with what one of the victims was saying is when he was a brown belt and he got his black belt in 2014. Was this whole time he's a cop? Yeah. Yeah. So That's where we get into the story of Fernando Pontes. So this is in Presidente Figueroa. Uh working on my Portuguese. Is that a location? Yeah, it's like a part of Manaus. So this is Manaus is in like the Amazon part of Brazil. So a lot closer towards like the rest of northern South America. Alright, so there is Operation Clean Waterfall in 2011 in, as I said, Presidente Figueroa Brazil. And this is like uncovering a pedophile ring of this guy, Fernando Fejugum Pontes. And as the story goes, there is a search warrant for Fernando Pontes for like pedophilia related evidence, right? But normally for like this kind of a search warrant, you're just like going in normal hours, and like the cops go to the house and they're like, hey, we got a search warrant, we're gonna we're gonna do the warrant. Um, I'm not sure of the the specifics, but this was much more like a raid. So Melky was also part of it.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

You said there was like a ring? So is it just one guy, or is it?

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Well, that was what they're they're saying is like pedophile released like a pedophile pedophile ring, right? Yeah, um, and so there's a special civil police unit called Farah F-E-R-A, Farah, that Melky Galvale is also part of. And these are the guys that are executing this search warrant on Fernando Pontez's house. And so basically, they go in the house and they just shoot this guy five times.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Executing more than the search warrant.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

They they alleged that he had a 32-caliber pistol that was underneath his pillow and he was going for that, and the officers um, you know, fired on him in self-defense. That's what the police union said in defense of the officers. Uh, but there was some another agency there, and they were the ones that taped it. So there's actually a video of this. Um, and the internal affairs a taping of of this search raid. Yeah. Warrant. Um, and it wasn't there wasn't even an arrest warrant for the guy, it was just the search warrant for whatever was related to pedophilia. So the internal affairs pretty much just called it straight up homicide or murder. Um, that they didn't buy the self-defense story. I don't and in the video, there's no 32. There's a cut. You saw it? No. You watch it? Yeah. On on here. So there's no gun, cut, gun on the bed. So my suspicions are that that gun was not there in the original incident, right? So as editors, they need to do better. Yeah. And this is shot on one of those hand LDMs, you know, because it's 2011. Um, so Melkie and another guy get charged with qualified homicide, falsifying documents, and fraud. And then two other officers, uh, they just got charged with fraud, right? And then shortly after this isn't the incident, the Farah F-E-R-A, like elite tactical force, also gets disbanded. Um, and then so I don't know what happened. Melkie gets charged with this this qualified homicide, and I don't know what happened from there. So this is 2011. 2014, he gets his black belt. So, somewhere between when I see him in the jujitsu scene in 2011, this is settled. Maybe he got his charges dropped, maybe he pled out something. If you're in Brazil and you know more about this, please let me know. A lot of my research on this was very tricky because I'm translating online Portuguese to English, and then any of the videos, they were almost all in Portuguese. So, for my English understanding, it's very difficult. But as I could find, there was no like public um outcome. So I think this was kind of hitting local news there as it was going on on the charges, but by the time it came to an end, it's unclear what had happened. So all I can say is that he was charged with the qualified homicide in 2011 in what appears to be cops going into a guy's house to execute a search warrant, and pretty much immediately he's dead, and then they charge four of the officers involved with this. So I don't know the real story. There's like the street justice side of it, right? What if me and you find out that there's a pedophile across the street and we find out he just did like the most heinous things ever? There's a version of that where we just go mob the guy, you know, like where it just pisses us off so much that it's like a heat of the moment kind of thing, and you're just so disgusted that maybe that's what happened. Maybe it was real pedophilia, and they were like, wow, we gotta just take this guy out. And it's still not here for vigilantism, but maybe that's what happened, right? Or like maybe there was another reason that they needed to take this guy out, you know? So all there's there's a lot of speculation again. I don't know the actual official outcome of like his qualified homicide and the fraud and falsifying documents. Don't know what actually happened there. He could have been let go completely innocent. But when you hear that story, and then you think about the cell phone in the jail and they're trying to hush people up, something's going on with this guy, you know, and it looks like this pattern of behavior of corruption has been going on for at least 15 years, yeah, and I would imagine sometime before that. And I just keep coming back to thinking about Mika, you know, where it's like, so he's eight years old when this happens. What's going on in his life? You know? And then 10 years later he's on flow grappling fighting against the best names in jujitsu and and absolutely dominating. So super impressive that he was able to still achieve what he did, but I don't I can't imagine what it was like growing up in that environment where you're training to be this jujitsu world champion, and then your dad's in this other world too. Yeah, I wonder how much of that like hit him, you know? Well, and like not to him, you know, it's in like the hindsight, things start making sense, right? So Mika's a father now, he's got a family, he's got a wife who's like an American wrestler champion, and then they're child, right? And this may be super petty, but when Mika and Amita, his wife, both like made public statements, you know, and I could really tell on his wife's that she was very much affected by Melkie. Like I could tell that she's the outsider American girl, you know, taking away his son. Because I do think, regardless of all this, I think Melkie and Mika had a very close relationship, right? And I'm assuming that in a classic toxic, manipulative, controlling environment, that um Melkie probably looked at Amit as like a threat, you know. So, point that I'm getting to is there's at some point they like had a public breakup on Instagram and like uncollab on all these posts and stuff. And I never took it as like Mika and Amit's relationship not really working out. I took it as like, oh man, like Melkie's in there and he's telling them that they should be together or whatever, you know. And then she mentioned something else about I think it had to do with like the citizenship of this kid, but I think Melky was trying to like convince them to move to Brazil and have the kid in Brazil, and she's like, No, I won't have this kid in America. So I think that there was a lot of stress involved with that, and as it comes full circle and this finally came out, Mika's with her. So I think that time when they were broken up was when Melki still probably had more control over him, and then now you can see that he's finally able to kind of be free and on his own doing his own thing.

SPEAKER_03 52:06

Um, so I guess they're together, and I assume they're living in America.

SPEAKER_01 52:12

Yeah, things seem good. Yeah, they're like a super cute like content couple now, so they're always making like little skit videos, and it's pretty funny. Love that. And they're both such freak athletes that like I see that stuff, and like, oh, maybe they're both like kind of retiring and just doing family. No, they're like both still competing. So where are they uh like living or based out of? I have no idea right now. I I'm not I'm not sure. But I'm sure it's tough for them. You know, Mika was a part of you know, that first they were associated with fight sports, and then there was this BJJ College thing. I think there was another project in between that that like he was a part of. BJJ College was supposed to be a gym, another one. Yeah, I think that's like Melky's cool team kind of thing. But there was a small point where you had, like I said, Diogo Hayes, who won the Grand Slam, Mika and Fabricio Andre, and a couple of other, like uh quite a few younger like juveniles and stuff that were all just like coming out as absolute terrors. And don't know what's gonna happen with them, you know. Uh I think Dio Diogo publicly left pretty early and went to another team. Um, and so just point for Mika, like I don't know how close he is with his old teammates, but at one point he had teammates and they were all successful together, and dad's the leader of the team, and then now that's all gone. So I'm sure he's got a lot of rebuilding to do to figure out how he's gonna be able to do it. I wonder what he's trying to do. Who he's trying to do? Yeah, who who's gonna coach who can coach someone like Mika after all that? You know, he's probably at a point where he I couldn't see him going under someone else's wing in the same way, you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

So do you know where Diogo and um Fabricio are?

SPEAKER_01 53:52

No, and who they're training with, they're definitely not at the same spot. I think it was quite a while ago that Fabricio had left the team, so they haven't been together the same time. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think um for a lot of these Brazilian athletes, like I think they would be here if they could, and like the bigger name ones, I think it's like times where it's just harder to live in America, visa-wise, or something like that. Yeah. Um, because like we'll let them come here for things like the world championships, but I think they you can't just like extend a period come up and move here, yeah. Um, but yeah, I just this one's so much worse than the Andre Galval thing. I think like Andre Galval's is worse because it's like in America, it's closer to home, it's kids that we can kind of like relate to. It's like more public, yeah, and and because of like primarily location. Avalanche of information that came out super quick, you know. It's like whoa. I think that with this situation, it it's just gonna take a lot more time to get to the full story.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Because where do you think it's really the story is still like developing and people are still trying to put it together, or has it already?

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Well, I think it's like some of the other ones where you know, you maybe say say something like this comes up, and then we're investigating, we get a victim and we start doing the investigation on that victim, and then another victim comes forward, right? And so, as I said, they were kind of snowballing in there for a second. So imagine just on that investigation side, yes, there's probably still some stuff being uh unturned, but then like kind of going back to Mika being on the Clomid, there was other questionable things going on around the same time, and I think that there's a lot of people that were close to him that just like Andre Goval, there were some people that knew, and there's some people that are maybe gonna stand by his side through the end, and then some people that are gonna like finally tell their story of what they saw too, you know. So I'm not trying to draw too much of a connection between this 2011 story of him doing his job as the civil police in uh Amazonas, but something was fishy with that. He he got charged for some kind of a reason there, there was some wrongdoing, and honestly, with it not having an outcome makes me even more suspect because I imagine that if played right and you are able to have some level of corruption, maybe you can get the charges dropped, you know. Because my my last part of that kind of conspiracy theory is that um the two of these officers that were involved with it worked as aides for the mayor, and then this guy, Fernando Pontez, his family was some kind of like political adversary to that mayor. So then that makes me think that there's like kind of a crossover of some politics, some police corruption, and and potential vigilantism as well. It's hard to say, but um I think when you just look at like, oh, it's a jujitsu coach, and he did the same thing that we've heard some of these other jujitsu coaches, but then when you get like the cell phone in the jail and like him trying to quiet people up, you're like, who's this organized as a jiu-jitsu groomer? You know, this is like some real criminal activity. And then you hear the first story, you're like, oh, this isn't the first time this guy's gone to jail. You know, he's got experience with this to some degree. So I hope that we see Mika back in the 80ccs. If Craig Jones wants to come back, CJI. I uh I I have seen him at some UFC stuff, so I assume that there's been negotiations just to I clearly nothing confirmed, nothing public, but I know the UFC BJ wants to. Yeah, but like man, that would be such a sick rematch for Andrew to get a title defense against Mika, you know. So I'd love to see him in UFC BJJ. He was just competing in the Gee recently, so that you know he's still getting after it. Um but do you think guys? There's such a clear like pattern now where this play of like I'm this wise coach and I can help give you everything because you have nothing. And like that play kind of works here, and that's kind of what Andre Galvel did, right? Like, I'll give you sponsors, I'll take you to tournaments, that kind of stuff. But I think it speaks a little bit differently in Brazil, right? My argument is that like if you can offer someone a real career, move to America, maybe have a gym one day, and you're saying that to a Brazilian, I think you have even more leverage over them to manipulate them. And if I'm the young Brazilian kid, I'm like, dude, I'll do whatever it takes if I want to chase my dreams like that. So it just seems like this guy developed some kind of playbook for that and you know applied it to whoever around him.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

Don't take any plan.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

No, no, but just like it just seems like he he, you know, with Mika, it's like his son, so he probably just wanted what's best for him, wanted him to be successful, and then I always had suspicions of like some toxic nature around it because um like even ADCC Worlds 2022, uh there was just like some weirdness between the team uh where it was like you could you could see that Melky was like this father figure to the guys, um, but it also looked like everyone's like vying for enough of dad's attention, you know? Damn. So uh jujitsu coaches, stop fucking doing this shit. Obviously, I don't think most jujitsu coaches are like also cops that are also like going and executing people in their underwear. Um but there's this power play thing of like, oh, I'm so wise and I can help you, and if you just listen to me, like you'll have everything you want. And then at some point that favor's got to get cash back in, and who knows what this fucking guy is doing.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

Yeah. When do you what do you think the next um event will be that we see Mika compete up?

SPEAKER_01 59:54

I don't know, man. I've been thinking a lot about like just the criticism that Andrew and William had during their like signing with the UFC BJJ, where everyone's like, don't do this exclusive contract because there's other organizations that you can negotiate with one off to go compete on, and you could make more per fight being more of a free agent than you could on an exclusive contract, right? My problem that's really come up with this dude's dying over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

I need I need some electrolyties. Okay, all right.

unknown 1:00:34

We're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Where was I at?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

Um William and Andrew, one-off yeah, dude, one-off fights versus contracts. But the thing with the contracts is you have security with a contract, and the one-off fights, you have potential to make more, but you also have high potential to make nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

Here's my problem. Right before that argument really got pushed, Flow Grappling was hosting events. Grapplefest was hosting events and flying Americans across the Atlantic to compete in Grapple Fest. You have maybe main character wasn't like having that many of the high-level guys on make a big paydays, but there was still main character, you know, top couple matches, getting paid options to go compete. Um, I can't even really think off the top of my head, but there was the CJI opportunities seemingly coming once a year. Uh ADCC increased pay because of CJI. So I got the argument right around 2025. Oh, yeah, there's there's some stuff out there. But now we're halfway through 2026. Flow Grappling's done one event this year. It was also like the juvenile youth bracket, right? So what event was it? The one that we shot at. Oh, yeah, okay. Right? So they've done one event, and it was like eight of the athletes were in the bracket together and they were like basically juveniles, right? Yeah. And then that's all they've done, and there wasn't like big names on that card. So my point is if you took advice two years ago of not signing exclusive contracts and be a free agent, where are you supposed to be competing right now and making this money? Because there's a lot of people that have said no to UFC BJJ contracts so that they can make more. But my question is, I watch every jujitsu event I can, and there's just not that many happening. You know? So I just don't understand the argument. I would assume that the problem with UFC BJJ and Mika Galval is that Mika's valuable, so he should be going in there with previous status quo precedents from his other contracts. He's probably asking for a lot. They probably see that as like, man, we don't even pay our MMA guys this much, you know. So he's an expensive addition for them, but man, he would be so worth it because that's like a real respected jujitsu competitor that everyone wants to see, you know. So I would guess that the like it's pretty likely he'd probably go to UFC UFC BJJ eventually when they can negotiate something that's fair for both. Um Craig Jones loves being chaotic, and CJI 3 is cancelled. CJI 3 is back. His most recent one is that B team is back and he's gonna do a new B team. He said it was I saw he said it was canceled, but now he says it's back for CJI 3? Yeah, he's I don't know. We'll see. He he said it was cancelled and he posted something else kind of hinting at maybe he will do it. Um it's unreliable, right? If you take Craig's own advice of like not signing these exclusive contracts because you're such a valuable grappler and you can negotiate on your own terms, just Craig, where where? Where's the event?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:42

You know, there's but uh at the same time, they're not saying to not do UFC BJJ, they're saying not to sign uh an exclusive contract with UFC PJ, which means that there are options to do one-offs with them, is right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

But that that's less interesting to the UFC as well, you know. So why would they want to pay you more for a one contract fight than if they could get you in five on multiple? So I I actually this isn't even a knock on athletes not signing with UFC BJJ. This is a frustration with like what happened with the sport of jujitsu. Clearly, we proved it's not profitable to be a jiu-jitsu promoter and that we can't actually pay these athletes anyway. But I'm just like, I wish there was more happening, and I guess that's where I do become somewhat grateful for the UFC BJJ, because at least once a month-ish, right now, we're getting their cards. And look, what they did nine, okay, so they've done nine in just over a year. Yeah, that's so much more than anybody else is putting out. So at least someone is getting paid to grapple and I get to watch it because that's all I want. I just want more pro grappling matches to happen. But I think we've hit a point where the argument for the athletes that they deserve more is true, but the business is broken in that the promoters can't get enough sponsors to pay a fight full of good athletes, and that's why on the other options where guys will go into like a more mid-tier tournament, the promoter solution is offering like a cash bracket where, like, hey, juice, it's not for 10 grand for who wins it. I can't pay you, but if you win, you can get 10 grand. So that's where you can get, you know, 16 super tough guys to compete because and put on a good show. Yeah, because they're competing for 10 grand, that's enough to incentivize them to try to, you know, go compete for essentially free. And sometimes they'll do like a small base pay in addition to it, kind of like how CJI did the 10 grand and the million. But that's the only other way that's kind of pulling in pretty high level grapplers, but that's still to a tier to me that's below the guys that have already made more than 10k per match, you know. So I don't know. Now that I've broken it all down, it feels like we started paying jujitsu athletes too much. Too quickly and then made it to where it was unprofitable. Because that was exactly what happened with Gordon Ryan on the Flow grappling events. Right? Think of by the end of his contract with them, they have to pay him so much money. How do they recoup that? You know? I'm just gonna guess. Call it 100 grand he gets for a WO, right? How the hell is Flo recoup that plus all their other athletes on the fight card? They got eight matches, 16 athletes. That's one guy, you got 15 more. So I think that Gordon deserved that, but it made it unsustainable for even Flo because I don't think having him on was actually doing enough to make back what they had to pay him. So it kind of just proves that the sport is like not that like spectator friendly, I guess, and that we've hit seem to hit like kind of a ceiling. Um and I don't I I I'm very lost at what young, not even young, but just like up-and-comer professional jujitsu athletes, like what even the path is. Because now you got UFC BJJ telling you to go pay for a UFC BJJ tournament, and if you win and if you do a good job, then maybe you can get a UFC BJJ match. How do you think those um events are gonna go?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

Dude, first UFC BJJ open.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Running a tournament is tough. Yeah. So unless if they have hired in really good consultation from how to actually do a jujitsu tournament or maybe some wrestling tournaments, I imagine there's like a bad learning curve. Because it's it's like a lot of really boring tasks. Like if I I worked at events, grappling uh tournaments for a while, referee and and table worker, especially in college. And if you get into the flow and you have a staff around you that like knows what they're doing, the setup and the teardown is super fast, right? It's like a bunch of ants, everybody's moving, they know exactly what to do. So my expectation would be after a few events, yeah, they're probably pretty smooth. I mean, the tournaments are so much easier and better now that we have things like Smooth Comp, right? Where like the software makes brackets. So that part, tournaments in general just like run a lot smoother. Um, but I haven't looked into their rule set, but I think that's something else that's gonna have to be figured out because are they gonna have rounds in the rule set? I don't think they're gonna do rounds, I think they're going more sub-only, but then it's like, all right, if we start getting into like if they're I can't remember if they're not doing points, but based off of the UFC BJJ, no, I think it's just like a timed but man, decisions result in like so many arguments, yeah. And on a new rule set, there's no catalog of previous matches of what like precedents are, right? So like the ADCEC can at least show old match footage and give you good examples of how they scored things in the past, and even if it's different than now, how they would score it now. So it'll take a while to figure out how they want to score it. I mean, there was on both CJIs, there was a big shift day one to day two on the criteria and the judging, you know, like was it CJI two where they finally switched it to like a paid bonus for a submission? Yeah, so it was like a small change, but CJI one.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

That was CJI two of this like second day or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

Yeah, but like CJI won CJI won day one, there were all sorts of like scores not being consistent, you know, like one match being scored one way, another match being scored. It didn't seem like that was the same criteria used, you know, and then it seemed to be a lot more consistent on day two. So that just shows you, even on you know, what they have, probably 25 matches day one or something like that, they had to very quickly figure out how they wanted to judge it. And I feel like we've seen a little bit of that with UFC BJJ, you know. Um they they got real excited with like trying to give out 10-8 rounds to me, which seemed a little easier than like a 10-8 to should be super dominant, yeah. But they were seeming to try to push a little bit more for that. And those are the things that they're gonna have to figure out. I don't know what the the UFC BJJ rules are uh for their tournament format, but it it's like it's a hard sell now. I mean, they haven't done that much in the jujitsu community to really like change people's opinions, and when the ADCC opens came out, that was like a big exciting moment. I think that this pales in comparison to that because the ADCC did the first ADCC open in what? Was it in the T-Mobile?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

No, it was at the Thomas and Mac arena because that was the first ADCC open, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:33

I'm gonna say it was that 2024. That was the first one, yeah, because it was right before the championships in 2024. Right. So they get their first one in the venue that the world is gonna happen at, right? And they did the absolute division, it was like a thousand dollars cash or fifteen hundred cash or something like that, which Andrew went out and won. Um, so man, maybe I'm getting my ears mixed up on some of that. But either way, the first ADCC open was a huge deal. The following next like 12 were like once a month. I was a part of everyone that was traveling out to them, you know, Phoenix and Atlantic City, uh, Dallas, Austin, whatever. Um, they were super exciting, super high-level dudes were going. I was going to Phoenix to watch a bracket with like Davis Asari and Andy Varela, you know, and they were having matches in ADCC opens. I I don't know if they're actually that true about like, oh, if you win a uh UFC BJJ opens, like you can get contracts. Maybe some of those caliber fighters will start showing up to them. Um, but on that, all I all I hope for on that is like I don't think you have to make like a closed-off bracket where you can't sign up if you're a normal person, but there should be like some clearly labeled, like, yes, this is the expert division where everything's legal, but like also pro. Like, this is guys that are actually trying to be elite jujitsu performers. Um, I guess leave it open, kind of like how trials works. I just don't want a bunch of like bluebelt dads trying to go in there to where we have to watch like matchups that are just horrible mismatches because someone wants to move themselves up to like a pro division.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

But I I feel like that's kind of a part of the point, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

I guess so, because like what I'm thinking of is like these old Naga videos where it's Nicki Rod like coming up to his like first peak in prime, like when he was first, you know, really successful in jujitsu, and he's just going against like some fat guy who clearly is not much experience, and he just fucking like Matt returns him onto their forehead, and it's like it's kind of sick, but like I want to see Nikki Rod against someone good, yeah. You know, so I don't know. There's a lot a lot to see how they they play it out. At least the UFC BJJ has been consistent putting on these events. Um, we've covered a lot of stuff about UFC BJJ, and we didn't do any coverage for UFC BJJ 9. And I think matchup-wise, the actual matches turned into the best ones they've had so far. Um, I've brought up to you multiple times the Rafael Fajeda and John Chandler match. Let's go white chocolate. Uh, but just the whole fight card seemed to be more even. I see a lot of comments online that for the UFC BJJ, people were saying, like, oh man, it's like the winner and the loser in the match. It starts and it's just so one-sided. Whereas UFC BJJ9 had a lot more back and forth, yeah, more more exchanges instead of just like a kind of lopsided victory. Um, so they shout out to to White Chocolate though. This match was insane. I I we're gonna do a match review on it. It'll be out on YouTube on Cold Combat Science and Game Plan Audible soon. Uh, but it was like to me, just like this dramatic story in three five-minute rounds where it it just starts off with Rafael Fajeda just looking like Venom from like the Spider-Man universe. Like, he's just such a slime ball, and he's just tacking legs and tacking his neck. He's just super fluid with every movement. And John Chandler's just kind of like anime-based style, heavy collar tie, heavy underhook standing, and just like weathers this storm from Fajeda, and then at the end was able to tap him with like two seconds left. And it's just like if you watch the whole match, you can't help but get drawn in because you can see the drama in the match, in my opinion, if you pay it attention. The commentary kind of helps too because you can they they provide some context, but even just watching it on mute, you can really see um this like wild, funky style of Rafael Faheda then eventually just get weathered by John Chandler and he just stayed stoic and calm. And that's sick. I was thinking about that when you're talking about the Knicks and the Spurs. I know this is like a stretch. Sorry. But like I feel like this is a it's a sport thing, and in fighting, we like see the things that come out in other sports. Yeah, where like I don't think the Knicks were worried at all when they were on a 20-point deficit, right? I think that just like an older fighter that can regulate themselves better, I think they're like, okay, like the damage control, we can't let it get too out of hand. Yeah, right, yeah. We're we're we're gonna win in the end, and we're confident of that, even at the worst part, you know? And 100% that was what John Chandler did. He was down by 20, dude. He was behind on the scorecards, and Fajeta like visually had done a lot to him. Yeah, but then he just like stayed locked in the whole time and eventually cracked the dude. And like I think he like broke him a little bit by just like being non-stop, one foot in front of the other, kept pressing forward the whole time. So that's dope. I mean, definitely check out that match.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:42

Looking forward to seeing it too.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

Yeah, we'll we'll be breaking it down soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:46

Um I I feel like the breakdown will probably be my first time watching it, which might be good.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

No, it'll be really cool. Yeah, because there's some bizarre things that kind of play out in the match.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

And let us know if there's any other um matches that y'all would like for us to review too, because I feel like that'll be real helpful. Obviously, we have our favorites and preferences and stuff that we can look back on over, like not even just the most recent stuff, but like over like time and and historical matches and stuff like that. I think that would be super dope too. But if there's anything um in particular that y'all are looking at, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

Yeah, especially if it's like uh submissions in MMA where maybe it's like a jujitsu take on something that's not just straight BJJ. Um, I was working some twisters this weekend uh with some students, and it's just really fun because there's a Scottish twister.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:34

I was just about to say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

Yeah, there's a Scottish twister in the UFC this weekend. Uh so I just kind of opened up talking about all the different twisters, and it brought me back to sending the group chat a uh the video of Chen Sung Jung, I want to say, I think that's how he says his name. Uh getting the first twister in the UFC. Sick. And so Twister's the Eddie Bravo move, a 10th planet move. Right? Eddie Bravo would be alongside Joe Rogan for all like the early UFC days. So Joe Rogan has his no-gi black belt from Eddie Bravo and his ghee black belt from Jean-Jacques Machado, Jean-Jacques Machado's Eddie Bravo's teacher. I think Joe saying he has a Gno-Gi and a Ghee black belt's like such a non-ji-jitsu guy thing to say. Like, I've never met a jiu-jitsu black belt that would say like the differentiation. But the point is that he spent a lot of time training with Eddie Bravo. Um, and they both are kind of under Jean-Jacques. Uh, but Eddie Bravo started using the twister early in his like ADcc trials runs uh with success and like lockdown and his half-card sweeping style. So in the Chan Sung Jung twister, he's like in a turtle, he gets the twister hook in, and he kind of like you can see this point, he switches to like the lockdown and actually trying to pass the arm. And Joe's just like, he's doing the twister! And like Joe gets really excited about things that like his friends do, and so since it's like an Eddie Bravo move finally being done in the UFC, like he he throws a fit during it, and it's awesome because it's just such a such a big moment for jujitsu nerds like me who had been studying at Eddie Bravo's books, and like, oh no, this twister, this is legit, this is cool. And it's like, well, why don't we start in the UFC? And it's like, all right, now we finally got one. So I'm a big fan of obscure UFC submissions. I you know, talk about submission success rate and stuff. Like, I think there's been like one oma plata in the UFC, or maybe a few. Oh shit, but like it just kind of shows that in an MMA fight in the UFC level, you're just not getting that submission. So if you get it, it would be a really cool video to break down because like they must have done it everything right kind of throughout it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:39

Highest uh sub rate in uh MMA RNC.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:46

Yeah, probably. Yeah, I mean it'd be interesting to see like actual settled-in back takes versus like choke success rates because I'm sure a lot of guys don't actually finish on the back. Um but yeah, the rear naked choke, I would I would guess that like the front headlocks in the rear naked choke are probably at least 50% of the pie, if not over that. And then a very simple bit of small, yeah. I mean triangles is up. Triangles is up there, but it's it's maybe 10%, I would guess. And then very little on like there's there's arm bars, but you know, arm bars, americanas, straight arm locks, kamoras, excuse me, less. So there's like weird stuff that happens in the UFC too dark room where like people break a forearm on a Kimura instead of like a shoulder dislocation. So like sometimes the brakes kind of end up uh coming out kind of weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:37

How many uh heel hooks are there in MMA?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:40

I don't know, but Cody Steele's got one. Shout out. Shout out. I don't know. There's definitely several. Um it is it is really cool. This is something that we've been talking a lot about is like these it's just the difference between the sport jujitsu, we play it all the time, play the leg locks, but like trying to leg lock someone when they can punch you is a lot tougher. And I think uh what Cody did and and not even just what he did, but his breakdown is actually what I think was the coolest, where he like grabs the wrist and pummels his leg over the arm. So he's like, This is why he can't punch me. And like when you watch the fight, you're like, Oh, Cody's fucking up his leg entanglement, yeah. And then when you hear him break it down, he's like, No, he was improving it to where he you know couldn't get punched. Yeah, so having like a an actual understanding that that punch is gonna happen and how to defeat it, and then still get to subs is super cool. That's sick. Um, another dark topic, and I don't I don't want to go too much into this, it's super brand new, but it does bring up something that is is kind of interesting to me. Um, and you know what? I'm I'm not even going to go into the details of it because it's so early, and I I I think there's some significant mental health problems that went on with this case. But uh last week there was an incident where a jiu-jitsu black belt was having call he he he was, I think, kind of torturing somebody. But either way, skip all that part, just get to the part where it's a guy having a mental breakdown and cops trying to arrest him, right? And some shit went down, bunch of shots got fired, a cop got shot a few times from the guy, but I think neither the officer nor the the arrestee like died, right? But what it's just a kind of a mind fuck for it is arresting a black belt, you know, it puts those cops in a tough spot because it's not just it was an armed black belt, so they're trying to like arrest him. He pulls out from the waistband a little Glock, fires off a few shots, there's like a scuffle. I think they eventually, you know, kind of everything settles down after the fact. But I think they had an exceptionally hard time trying to detain the guy. And I am like the biggest proponent of like cops should be doing jujitsu. I don't know exactly what program they should be doing, but anytime a cop trains like regularly at a gym, I think that's a huge win. I would love to see more policing doing more jujitsu. I I want more of that. Now, if all those cops were also black belts, would it really matter now? Because it's gonna even it out. There's more of them, they're they're gonna be able to control them. But it's one of those situations where it's like more jujitsu's not helping that much. Some people are just dangerous out there, and it's just sad to see when it gets flipped on the cops like that. Because I'm encouraging the police to get more training and to be able to be better to handle people with confidence that they maybe they don't have to use their non-lethal or lethal options as much because they feel kind of more more confident and capable of being able to control somebody. Um, but when one of us jujitsu guys gets out there, it's super concerning. I I don't have any solutions for that, you know, especially being in America. Like this is a sidebar, but it kind of relating to this. Have you seen the man-catching pole that they'll use a lot in like Asian country police? No, so this comes from like some of the samurai stuff, right? So just imagine a giant fork on a stick where it can like pin you to the wall, right? But it's like hugging around you, okay, you know? And now with new technology, there's like sick versions of it that they have like a like a shackle. So you kind of like use the claw to shackle it, and then you can pull, and then like someone else could hit you from the other side, and we start like, you know, like holding your appendages from far away, right? Yeah, but the reason this works in the Asian countries is because they don't have guns. So the cops are having to deal with like knife attacks, and it's like, fuck yeah, dude. You got a knife, I got a big pole, my homie next to me's got a big pole. We're winning this exchange. We've got distance management and we got little crab claws that we're gonna snatch up your ankles or whatever, you know. But then I'm like, man, that's such a good idea. That would be so perfect for these situations, except for the gun. Yeah, you know, like in America, they're fucking everywhere, and these cops are constantly going to these altercations, assuming that the other guy's armed as well. So, my idea of the American cops all just like practicing their their man-catching fork thing, uh, it actually works. I've never seen this. Oh, dude, we're we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to find you some. I'm gonna start sending you some Instagram, Instagram videos after this. Um, but yeah, just super tough situation because I feel like I have like the hot head as a jujitsu guy where I watch like tons of police videos and like altercations, street fights, all that kind of stuff, and I'm usually on the side of like, oh, people just like need more training. But like I don't have an actual solution for when someone's lost their mind and they're also an extremely high-skilled person and armed. Yeah, it's an extremely dangerous situation for those guys to go into, and I think it's absolutely miraculous that they got away and everyone's nobody because it was also like a tight small house kind of cramped up in what looked like the kitchen, you know. Um but I the reason I don't want to go into the details of this is because uh for the gym and the people that are more directly associated with this guy, I can understand what they're going through right now, right? Imagine if this happened to a family friend of ours or something like that. I think that there was some some there's it's just so fresh. I don't know all the details yet, and I don't want to put on blast um anybody that's like more associated with this person that doesn't want to be associated with them, you know? Yeah, because um it's just a little too early to to to say, but it of course, and this is where it sucks for like all right, what are our jujitsu articles that are hitting the news? Come at me. Oh, Andre Galval, grooming and abusing children, the next most famous Brazilian jujitsu coach that's not a not a good light for a jiu-jitsu. Another grooming and seemingly like sexual assault or whatever. What's the next black belt in the news? Oh, it's another like because the news wants to make the drama of what I'm talking about. Oh, it's dangerous for these officers to try to arrest the black belt, you know. But just once again, our only coverage is like these super negative things, um, which maybe over time makes an effect on how people kind of view.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:19

I mean, on I at the same time, I do see I mean it's I don't think it's equal, but I do see some stuff um online, maybe videos or articles or something about um Brazilian jujitsu uh I don't know, practitioners, whatever you whatever you call us.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:41

We're Jujuteros, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:43

Uh rollers, um people that train, uh like detaining somebody until the cops get. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, I see a a number of stories like that, and that's always nice to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

Oh, bro, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:57

That's like and they're just like super chill. And they're like talking to them like no, man. Like no metro. You're acting crazy. I'm gonna sit here, you're gonna sit here, cops are gonna come, and then they're gonna deal with you. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:09

Dude, those those are awesome because the dude's always like holding the guy in a triangle with his flip-flops still on. You know, like that's a real jujitsu guy, he's not gonna be wearing real shoes, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:18

No, that those are great. It's like you imagine me in the video of them on stairs.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:22

Yeah, dude. Well, see, but that that's what I'm saying. This is kind of like uh the the the Spurs games pulling out a side of you. Where like I think if you had to detain the guy, it'd be much more like the Spurs Wico. Where like I don't think you'd be playing around if you had to detain somebody. I think you'd be a bit more. Oh, you're talking about like ferve and passion. Yeah, you would you would be in control of that situation. You would not let that be.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

It wouldn't be like like Pitter Patter, no hand fight, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:52

Dude, speaking of which, you did see uh Landon Elmore and Trinity Pun beating the shit out of the guy on the CT.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:01

I was in that same shopping center. I was at like a restaurant, like at the round the same time. At the same time. Literally the exact same time. Damn, I wish you could have. Because I thought about it too. And I saw that store, and I've like been thinking about hitting them up hitting it up. Yeah. But I was hungry.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:18

What's the store?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:19

Yeah, I don't even fucking know. It's just like I feel it's similar to like a Diso, which is basically like a fucking Asian dollar store, but they also have like claw games and I don't know, random shit. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:31

Yeah. So if you haven't seen this, it's security camera footage from a small store, whatever. And Ebysu. Landon Elmore's there with his lady friend, Trinity. And in the video, you can see the guy come up, looks like he says something to Trinity, and smacks her on the ass. Yeah. And then right after that, I think she kind of indicates to Landon. I think Landon was a little bit already on it. And then Landon confronts the guy, and then the guy just swings on Landon. And at that point, it's over. And Landon just charges him. And they're kind of going like down the aisle at the camera. And what so we've we've talked about Big Slime on here. Love him. He's a super fun athlete to watch in jujitsu. Been a supporter of him since he made the move to Austin, pretty much. Um of course he's gonna step up and do the right thing there by like pummeling this guy. But what cracks me up about the video is Trinity is right behind it. Hell yeah. And it's like this guy just does not know who he just fucked with because he's probably thinking, oh, it's a white dude, and he looks like kind of small because he's a featherweight. Like, I'm just gonna punk this guy real quick. He didn't even know. And it's like, no, dude, you don't even know that his girlfriend would have beat the fuck out of you by herself. You know? And so then he's just fucking wailing on the ground and pounding, and then she like grabs his feet and she's like controlling his legs, so the guy can't possibly get up and he's just getting fucking sits back on a heel hook. Dude, I feel like I feel like if it would have continued on, that's exactly what would have happened, and that guy would have been like every bone in his body would have been broken.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:05

I was and I was deep into my bowl of soup at Julie's Noodles when all of that was going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:15

But yeah, if you guys have any any uh Street Fights, CC TV, send them to cold jujitsu on Instagram. I will happily watch anything you can find online. I uh I don't like to fucked up chopping heads off unnecessarily like crazy war and gore stuff. But if it's stuff that makes sense to break down on like street fight, cop arrest, anything like that, I would love to find that send that my way. I love watching that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:43

I I am an avid street fight watcher. I love that shit. And that would be I didn't I didn't even think about doing review or like breakdowns on those. Some of them suck though, man. Some of them suck, like girl fights grabbing hair. Bang, bang, bang, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:00

Bang. I will and like that's it. The the girl fights can also just turn into where like what we want is we want like a stage and two mano emano fight, right? The girl fights, it turns into like 25 people fighting, multiple people on one. Like, I want a good one-on-one street fight. That's that's those are the fun ones to break down because man, it's so funny watching all of like the chess puffing before the fight. Like, algorithms got me, they know what I like to see, where it's always like the instigator, and this guy being a total dickhead and the other guy being calm. Like, hey man, I don't want to fight, I don't want to fight. Whatever, leave me alone. And he's like, All right, you just punched me or something, now I'm gonna crack you. And it's like clearly someone a little trained or at least been in fights before, and it's just like a one-shot KO. The guy's completely like stiff on the ground or something. It's like you started it, you dumbass. Those are the fun ones. Obviously, there's probably a bunch of horrific shit that happens all the time that you know doesn't go like as cute, fun street fight, and it's actually just violence, but um heavy takedown or like mat return on cement. Yeah, yeah. But I like breaking it down because like my actual attitude towards those things is like a real functioning adult is avoiding this stuff pretty well. Yeah, depending on what like city you live in and like the population density and stuff, there's some places that are gonna be harder to avoid problems, but uh so much of it is like start at the basic level of self-defense, like de-escalation, walking away, self-preservation, like just not even engaging with people that are acting crazy, you know. But then if it ever comes to like actual combat, I love breaking down like you could do freeze frame immediately of like, oh, how's their stance? Because every time there's a street fight and someone's got a real stance, it's so apparent so quickly. Yeah, dude. And I love even people break down like the versions of Street Fighter stances, yeah. And it's like, how to not look like you know what you're doing at all, but you think you know what you maybe that's a strat. You know, I guess so, dude. And then then you have like I think the most the worst ones is when I get looped in by whatever algorithm hook, and then there's no fight, and it's just and it's just chatter and like puffing out chest, and I'm like, come on, man. Yeah, who posted this? You're the worst, you're the worst. Well, you got anything else, Juice?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:23

No, I got a piss.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:25

All right, you want to wrap it up there? Yeah, all right, sick. Well, thanks so much for watching. Uh, we're glad to be back. Go check out Call Combat Science YouTube and Game Plan Audible. We've been collabing on quite a few videos on those. So if you want to check out the classes that should be collabed for the most part, and then soon we'll be dropping more breakdown videos and a lot more videos on the way. So we'll be doing these podcast episodes as we can fit them in, and then hopefully be back to the normal schedule in uh not too long. But thanks so much for watching. Make sure you subscribe here on Game Plan the Pod, check out those other YouTube channels. Again, I'm cold jujitsu on Instagram. This dude's got weiko.skilltree.mat space. So go check him out there and some of his other Instagrams as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:17

Spurs in four 2027. Sick game plan Christmas. I love it.